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Introduction Clip
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classicaleq (8 months ago)
Thanks for having the courage to spread the word and post these videos. Something has to happen soon, surely?!
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vanjab (6 months ago)
Anky, stay away from my stable, please. FOR EVER!
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SilverSammet (4 months ago)
Thank you ulrikethiel.
I seen movies you done before, I even quoted you on my homepage.
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Waxmom (4 months ago)
Yes, but Anky keeps winning (sigh). Her methods will perpetuate as long as she is successful in the ring.
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mazarein (3 months ago)
Yeah, I agree. Thats the problem. The cant judge what she is doing outside the ring.. sigh
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shauniabbie (3 months ago)
Ugh. I disagree with Rollkur.
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varemaerke (2 months ago)
Rollkur turns out amazing horses. People who are against it rely on mass emotion to get people to refuse to see the good in it. You 'can't see the harmony' or anything for that matter, if you
refuse to.
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DyersEve (2 months ago)
Rollkur is torture.
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alydar42 (1 month ago)
I've seen enough. The horses do look tortured and unnatural. And the riders look ridiculous. They all appear quite unbalanced and heavy-handed with poor seats.
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SDChick (1 week ago)
Anyone who supports rollkur should try walking around with their chin in their sternum for half an hour and see how it feels.
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aussieingermany (1 week ago)
I keep my horses at a jumping stable in Germany and the jump riders use the same techniques whilst they jump. How horrifying for the horse to have to approach a jump without the ability to
look where the jump is and then to do it whilst wearing running reins!! For all the horses that you see doing it successfully how many get ruined in the process?
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jack1990c (1 week ago)
i dont disagree with rollkur but on the other hand im not agreeing with it, what you have got to understand is that if you feel uncomftable with what you see do something about,
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jack1990c (1 week ago)
cont... dont go having internet wars with people who do agree with, plus anyway all this is stupid because if AnkyVan Grunsven or other top riders cared about being seen doing this, they
wouldnt blatently go using in the warmup arena would they, so they obvisously dont care what other peolpe think.
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jack1990c (1 week ago)
cont... anyway who are we to judge, they use Rollkur, others use Drawreins or sidereins, same principle, but because people like you make it a big deal, you are just hoping people will join in
with what you are saying.
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MissVeronicaLake (3 days ago)
What shameless torture. These are the best horsemen and women in the world? They should be banned from riding. What is the goal of dressage? Harmony of horse and rider.Read
"Dressage in Harmony"then re-watch this video. This is reminiscent of soring, breaking tails, growing abnormally long feet...for the glory of the rider and the sad and inevitable destruction of
the horse's body and spirit. Use of drawreins, sidereins and the like, does not justify this.
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Clip 2d A.van Grunsven Krack C 13 12 2007
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Ilady (7 months ago)
Dit vind ik een ander verhaal,hier zie je duidelijk wel iets wat niet oke is.
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Rosie999 (7 months ago)
ja, heel duidelijk!
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Sreep100 (2 months ago)
A restricted and confused horse, over flexed, with corrupted gait, devoid of harmony and balance. Cruel circus.
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emmapollitt (1 month ago)
i am a fan of anky's, so i dont want to say anything too mean, but i do see where you are all coming from. this is very cruel indeed.
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Ima09er (3 weeks ago)
i do have to say that this is not the best way to train a horse, but whatever else she is doing, it works. this horse is just soo uncomfortable with her like that, and he's struggling with her.
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MissVeronicaLake (3 days ago)
I thought she was a dressage rider, not a rodeo queen. Horrific way to treat your trusting animal.
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Clip 2c A.van Grunsven Ictenos
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pippa21 (6 months ago)
I dont know alot about dressage, but his neck is SO bent in some places, that cant be good.
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rachi123 (6 months ago)
it's disgusting and forced. this isn't what dressage is about!!!
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bronnieren (4 months ago)
Its great to see that even people who dont know about dressage can tell that it is not right :o)
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sullie97 (4 months ago)
I don't feel like writing something in english, so I'll keep in dutch. Take a dictionary or something. Er is hier helemaal niks aan de hand. Ze heeft hier gewoon een hete hengst onder d'r kont die
flink aan het werk moet worden gezet. There's nothing going on here, on this video. She just rides a stallion who has been put to hard work to get his attention. He doesn't always respond that
well on the leg, so he should be pushed a little harder sometimes.
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USNhcc (3 months ago)
Being a stallion is not an excuse to do this. ALL the horses at the SRS are stallions and they don't do this. I own a 4 yr old stallion I use for dressage, he performs well around other horses
without 'needing' his mouth forced to his chest.
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millemus (3 months ago)
Horrible!!!!
Poor horse :-(
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Darkyhope (3 months ago)
And by the way, Anky's a douche.
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DyersEve (2 months ago)
How can people think this kind of thing is beautiful?
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xxmanugirlxx (1 month ago)
o 4 goodness sake! she is the best in the world she obviously nows wot she is doing
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xxassessment (2 weeks ago)
xxmanugirl, just because she is a top rider doesn't mean she is right. Did you know that horses who have the most issues with injuries are upper level dressage horses? Not SJers, not
eventers. Hmm, isn't dressage supposed to prevent that? Face it, modern dressage is corrupt, trendy(in a bad way), and at times down right abusive.
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xxmanugirlxx (2 weeks ago)
nah not really m8! shes the one at the top level not u so obvioulsy its working! dnt tell me about horses wiv issues i dnt use this method but it has seemed to work for her and btw dnt start
going on about dresage horses at an upper level gettin injuries at least we dnt jump huge life treatening wooden cross country fences and are always crushing riders wen horses fall on them!
and btw if u even can ride or get to this level u can say another method
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anydaynow314 (2 weeks ago)
first of all, if you want someone to respect what you have to say, use real words. second of all have some compassion for the horses.
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anydaynow314 (2 weeks ago)
having their necks flexed like that strains the muscles in theur back. look at her horse, his ears are pinned, and his tail is swishing. he is obviously uncomfortable and is avoiding her leg and the
bit. top level dressage horses should not switch their hind end out every few steps. rollkur is a cruel fad that defeats the purpose of dressage in all its aspects.
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
you can say whatever you want, but ROLLKUR TURNS OUT AMAZING HORSES, thats the fact, and they keep on winning big championships.
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Cookie1986 (23 hours ago)
Is winning championships more important than the horse's ealth? That treatment is not right! And should be forbidden!!! Your comment really sucks!
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
Krack C, not Crack C
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jh459 (2 weeks ago)
Quite frankly I see far worse examples of cruelty at lower level shows. Yes, some people won't agree with Anky's methods of training, fine, she doesn't have to agree with yours. The riding
masters of the past were far crueler to their horses than Anky. I see some really shocking displays of riding at lower levels. People who take their lack of ability out on their horse. An wasn't it
a showjumper, Paul Shockemohle, who invented rollkur, not Anky.
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xxmanugirlxx (1 week ago)
at least u 2 agree with me lol
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gabbygirl2 (1 week ago)
If someone were to do this at a local schooling show, I believe that many people would infrom the TD and the rider/horse team would be escorted off the show grounds!
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gabbygirl2 (1 week ago)
It is an absolute disgrace for her to represent our sport!
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AnjaAvalon (2 days ago)
Thank Goodness someone has the guts to post this disgusting display of torture and false horseman ship! If this is what it takes to reach the top, then I'm out! I respect these animals far to
much to compromise their happiness and well being for a stupid prize. Classical Forever!
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Clip 1 A.v.Grunsven Ictenos
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sullie97 (4 months ago)
Momentopnames voegen helemaal niets toe. Het ziet er misschien cruel uit, maar in het echt is dat natuurlijk niet.
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Sky212 (1 month ago)
Het ziet er net zo uit als in het echt.
Anky gaat zelfs in de beugels staan om enorm hard aan de teugels te kunnen trekken!!
Anders krijgt ze hem niet in de rollkur :(
Zo zielig dat ze is.
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ciaosonomel (1 day ago)
it's simply disgusting...
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Clip 2a A.v.Grunsven Krack C
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DressageToday (1 month ago)
OMG! That poor horse! THAT IS NOT Dressage that is HORSE ABUSE!!
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MissVeronicaLake (3 days ago)
You are completely correct. My horse's chiropractor explained how seriously this practice impacts the horse's muscles and skeletal structures; it will ruin these horses. To what gain?
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amrielle (1 month ago)
Umm really you are all very ignorant and obviously don't know shi*t about dressage or horse training for that matter
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USNhcc (1 month ago)
Further, the rider has rough hands and gives conflicting signals. The last time she canters down the long side she is driving the inside hind to come further forward, but she is holding the
inside rein up and back preventing the hind from coming forward. Trapping the horse with conflicting aids causes learned helplessness, similar to clinical depression in humans. Clearly you are
very ignorant and don't know sh*t about dressage or horse training; at least the other 2 know more than you.
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
I totally agree with amirelle, "why don't you put some clips of you riding since your SO great. " couldn't say it better myself.
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amrielle (1 month ago)
ha so why don't you put some clips of you riding since your SO great. You even do Dressage? Or better yet what level? Show me where America has beaten Germany overall. Oh thats right
Germany trains this way and has taken the lead in dressage for the last like 50 years. Are you a a psychologist too?
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ulrikethiel (1 month ago)
Dear Amrielle, Do you think that winning legitimates to hurt a horse and treat it badly?
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DressageToday (1 month ago)
amrielle- I am ussually very nice and considerat but you have gotten on the last of my nerves! I do infact do dressage and train with an olypmic trainer as well as train my own horse! I have
done piaffe, tempi changes etc. For your own freakin information we aren't fighting about who wins or who is better but about how they treat their horses!
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mollymillymoo (1 month ago)
That looks awful. I can understand the basic idea behind the method but that is cruel, nevermind the way that it completely contradicts the fundamental points of dressage. I don't honestly
know what to say, other than lets hope it doesn't catch on.
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Clip 4a A.van Grunsven Crack C
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DressageToday (1 month ago)
THIS IS NOT RIDING!!! IT IS ABUSE!!! That poor horse! I believe anky is one of the worst riders! You can tell that horse doesn't like it!
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Strangeh (1 month ago)
I totally agree with you. It's disgusting.
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saddlesforsale (2 weeks ago)
Look at the other riders in the ring - no one does this !!!! She should be banned from the FEI.
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Clip 3b A. van Grunsven Krack C
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DressageToday (1 month ago)
THIS IS NOT RIDING!!! IT IS ABUSE!!! That poor horse! I believe anky is one of the worst riders! You can tell that horse doesn't like it!
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Strangeh (1 month ago)
I totally agree with you. It's disgusting.
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saddlesforsale (2 weeks ago)
Look at the other riders in the ring - no one does this !!!! She should be banned from the FEI.
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Clip 1b A.van Grunsven Ictenos
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pablicasso25 (6 months ago)
between the curb rein and the spurs, he's got nowhere to go. cruel.
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sieltjuh (5 months ago)
Oh, come on...You don't come that far with cruelty!
This are tophorses and Anky is a toprider!
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pablicasso25 (5 months ago)
that's a very naive statement. once upon a time it was legal for top jumper riders to use a practice called poling-ever heard of it?
Study equine anatomy and take a look at how this "technique" affects the muscular and skeletal structures of the neck. oh, and learn how to read a horse's body language. also, notice how
the horse can't fully engage behind and step underneath himself, and look at how heavy he gets on his forehand. Ask George Morris what he thinks of this, I have.
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pablicasso25 (5 months ago)
that's a very naive statement. once upon a time it was legal for top jumper riders to use a practice called poling-ever heard of it?
Study equine anatomy and take a look at how this "technique" affects the muscular and skeletal structures of the neck. oh, and learn how to read a horse's body language. also, notice how
the horse can't fully engage behind and step underneath himself, and look at how heavy he gets on his forehand. Ask George Morris what he thinks of this, I have.
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Sky212 (1 month ago)
pulling and kicking HA
When I would ride like that my horse would through me off (and I would agree).
This is pure animal cruelty.
Besides goldmedals don´t say anything.
The FEI knows as much about horses like a dumbass does.
Nothing...
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bronnieren (4 months ago)
Thats appaling!! I cant believe that the "top" riders do this....
So unatural so forced so ugly....
Wheres the love of the horse and respect for his natural beauty and freedom of the paces...
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BuffaloTongue (3 months ago)
I hate that kind of riding. Pure little horse... It must really hurts. :o(
And Anky is a toprider. It isn't a excuse!
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Floob591 (3 months ago)
Horrible that top riders can do this to their horses, winning obviously means more and this helps get them to the top. yuck.
sullie09-ik ben toevalling ook nederlands en het kan mij geen bal schelen wie die ruiter is, ik vind het nog steeds niet kunnen
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paddywakno1 (1 month ago)
i hva eto say this hyperflexion is excessive but in my opinion riding a horse over deep for a few strides is fine but any sort of prolinged activity like this is wrong
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gouldysgrl (1 week ago)
ouch. these poor horses. Have people ever tried to use GOOD RIDING to achieve correct results instead of using cruel training methods and equipment?
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HybridFamilia (1 day ago)
Sad that being a professional rider and riding several horses at any given time means extorting them to achieve quick results. If I were a horse and someone gagged me on my own saliva
whilst they filet my sides with a weapon attached to their heel I also might piaffe whenever they asked me to. Apalling.
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Clip 4a A.van Grunsven Krack C
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DressageToday (1 month ago)
THIS IS NOT RIDING!!! IT IS ABUSE!!! That poor horse! I believe anky is one of the worst riders! You can tell that horse doesn't like it!
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Strangeh (1 month ago)
I totally agree with you. It's disgusting.
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saddlesforsale (2 weeks ago)
Look at the other riders in the ring - no one does this !!!! She should be banned from the FEI.
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
ohh please! she is world champion? Don't you sometimes woder why? I sholulden't be writing if she was bad at her sport, but for god sake! She is the best =)As faar as I know things isn't
going so bad for edward gal or Imke eighter? (both using rollkur)I mean look at the horse movements? Isn't that absolutely fantastic!? I think that some peolple are just jealous^^. Go anky!
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Clip 3a Imke Schellekens op Lancet
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DressageToday (1 month ago)
That is not dressage! That is horse abuse!
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sullie97 (4 months ago)
Momentopnames voegen helemaal niets toe. Het ziet er misschien cruel uit, maar in het echt is dat natuurlijk niet.
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Sky212 (1 month ago)
Het ziet er net zo uit als in het echt.
Anky gaat zelfs in de beugels staan om enorm hard aan de teugels te kunnen trekken!!
Anders krijgt ze hem niet in de rollkur :(
Zo zielig dat ze is.
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ciaosonomel (1 day ago)
it's simply disgusting...
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Clip 4c E.Gal Gribaldi
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MissVeronicaLake (2 days ago)
I am shocked the horse simply doesn't die of a heart attack. What criminal behavior to a trusting and helpless animal. This man should be arrested and convicted of cruelty to animals. And he's
having such a grand time torturing the horse. Wee-haw.
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dieblauereiterin (8 months ago)
this is a horror. thank you for posting this. i think every horse person should watch this. i literally could not finish watching it bc i started to feel sick and get very upset.
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jirina2 (8 months ago)
Vrezelijk. Dit is top van dresuur?
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tyrdrop (7 months ago)
This person should never be allowed near a horse again. These practices need to stop, they make me sick.
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Ilady (7 months ago)
Sorry but what do you want us to see? If she does this with a good hand and enough leg.It's nothing to worry about.Besides she don't do it a'll the time,it's just to gymnastic the muscles.
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Kampfschimmel (7 months ago)
Its awful, horrible and has nothing to do with realy Dressage, the only meaning of this kind of ridin is to break the will of the horse, its called learned helplessnes, the horse learns, that he has no chancé out and resigns. This has nothing to do with gymnastik, its only cruel.
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vanjab (6 months ago)
This has nothing to do with dressage. It is only used to break the horse´s will. Gymnastik is done in a different way, not with pulling and kicking and breaking the horse´s neck. It makes me sick!
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Arenalilla (6 months ago)
awesome mov!
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pablicasso25 (5 months ago)
What do you mean, "with a good hand and enough leg?" I think you really mean, with enough CURB REIN and enough SPUR to force the horse forward. Are you familiar with the anatomy of the horse? Have you seen the compression of the vertebrae in the neck that this causes?
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pablicasso25 (5 months ago)
Meanwhile, observe how the horse can't step underneath himself and truly engage behind, and take a look at his forehand-he has no choice but to get heavier in front. Nothing to worry about? Only if you listen to the vet Anky pays to tell people it's ok.
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pablicasso25 (5 months ago)
Look at this clip of Philippe Karl riding piaffe and levade (make sure you click on view original size). Note how the horse's head is free, how he is NOT behind the bit, and look at the slack in both the curb and snaffle reins as the horse lifts his forehand off the ground. So you think Anky can do this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3630150063986391480 &q=piaffe&hl=en
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Leitha700 (5 months ago)
I don't wanna know how does the horse feel with that style.. It's looking so ugly. It must hurt.
I hate that style.
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KageOokami (5 months ago)
shes just bending him it helps to stretch the muscles I use this method all the time but then again I dont do dressage but I still dont see what is so wrong about it??
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SilverSammet (4 months ago)
This movie makes me sick.
Call it rollkur or "hyperflexion"... torture has many names....
I wish judges around the world could take there responsibility and stop her.
But hey... it gives her first place in competitions... it Must be good... Right...
The horse is nothing more then a tool for her to winn, I despise that kind of behavour!
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kingal2 (4 months ago)
What kind of riding do you do KageOokami? Western pleasure? Gaited horses?
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kingal2 (4 months ago)
My list of things that are wrong with this video.
1. Anky is a top rider but her position sucks. Her hands look like they are two feet apart and are down by her hip bones. Seat and leg are never quiet allowing the horse just to be. She constantly is driving with seat/leg to make up for the death grip she has on the reins. Her leg is too far forward and she sits like a sack of potatoes in the saddle.
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kingal2 (4 months ago)
2. At no point does Anky do posting trot. Just because a horse is Grand Prix level does not mean that its muscles do not need time to warm-up and stretch. A stretchy, swinging back and collection are not to be attained in 5 minutes of riding. That's like asking a runner to sprint before warming up sufficiently.
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kingal2 (4 months ago)
Too bad the person didn't give us some footage of the other riders who were riding truly classical dressage so people who have little experience could see the difference. It must be very frustrating for them to know that they are bringing the horse together correctly but have no chance of winning because of politics. It must be very painful for them to have to warm-up with Anky and watch her bastardization of dressage.
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HighReven7 (4 months ago)
That is discusting!
The poor horse has no balance at all , and cant even see where hes going!
It has no benifate to the horse at all , If all she wants to do is streach him out whats wrong with riding him on a semi loose rein and keeping hes pole lower than his wither , it would be more benificial for the horse!
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HighReven7 (4 months ago)
And would work and strech the correct mucles and warm him up nicley keeping him relaxed,
I bet they have to have a chiripractor out to those horses every 2 weeks ! they would be so sore !
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sullie97 (4 months ago)
Leg mij eens uit waarom ze dan 2 keer Olympisch kampioene is geworden, 2 maal Wereldkampioene en 2 maal Europees kampioene. If this was who isn't DUTCH you all didn't say anything about the way she's riding her horse.
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jannichan (3 months ago)
why she's won the olympic games twice, the world championships twice and the european championships twice? Because they don't care about cruelty to animals, obviously. Otherwise, this behavior would not be allowed to continue!
Or do you think it's ok to bend a horse like this just because you're dutch?
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sullie97 (3 months ago)
This kind of training takes only 5-10 minutes. I always thougth that Nicole Uphoff and Isabell Werth are sharing the same method as Anky. Why don't you show videos of them, riding their horses the same way. This is just propaganda against the dutch!
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ulrikethiel (3 months ago)
Warming up should relax and WARM UP the muscles and make the joints work without tension. Even 5 minutes working in this way on the forehand in high sopeed, tension and stress is too long and too much. WEhat is the reason for all these actions of the rider?
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Gitchalove (3 months ago)
horrible rolkur....sigh
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Dressyrflicka (3 months ago)
Absolutely horrible!
I will never understand why anyone would want to do that to a horse.
I´m Swedish and I have nothing against the dutch, I would say the same thing if Jan Brink did that to Briar (number two on the list of most succesful dressage riders, but also swedish)
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kingal2 (3 months ago)
sullie please realize that we have nothing against the dutch to think we are pointing the out the dutch because we dislike them is a little immature
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ilah2001 (3 months ago)
I agree the horse is thrown off balance and appallingly ridden this is apparent when she rides up the long side on the left rein off a circle where it appears the horse is trying to get out of the overbent stance and she drags him back onto the track with only her right rein very messy. Whats with the harsh fixed grip, that horse must have a mouth like reinforced concrete! Ive retrained many horses that have been traumatised by severe dressage regimes in Holland one originally came from her yard
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ilah2001 (3 months ago)
Ik denk dat nederlandse mensen kunnun niet kritiek namen over iets en alles nederlands, ik zie het elke dag! Ja natuurlijk, ik moet naar mijn eigen land teruggaan!
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sullie97 (3 months ago)
Why then showing videos of anky? And not some videos of germans warming up their horses, then we can compare to each other.
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daisyfields (1 month ago)
Gives me the name of someone German who uses and advocates rollkur like anky and I'll put some up if I can find them It's not about the rier, it's about the poor horse. Rollkur adds one hundred pounds of pressure to each vertebrae in the horse's spine. If someone has to do that to get a gold medal,then they are truly not a horseperson, no matter their ethnicity.
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keylime1602 (2 months ago)
It makes my neck hurt to watch.
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melody1 (2 months ago)
God, I love that horse... Then again, who wouldn't love a horse that would put up with that kind of thing?
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XinkyX (2 months ago)
i think anky is a fantastic rider, but i completly disagree with this 'training method'. i think its harsh and a discusting way to treat an animal. whose first in line to have their chin strapped to their neck for an hour?
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pauline608 (2 months ago)
I will be visiting the Olympia horse show in U.K next week and I will be booing this woman not applauding her and her kind Why is she winning medals? The Dutch federation should do something about this way of riding.
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xxassessment (1 month ago)
This is absolutely sickening. Pablicasso25 has covered pretty much everything I was going to mention, look at any old pictures or any true classical dressage and you'll see often the horse is far more content and either on or slightly ahead of the vertical, still in frame, and has much freer movement.
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Cookie1986 (3 weeks ago)
This is digusting!!! I do dressage on pretty high level too, but never used such methods! It#s unnessecary!!! Sad to see a World Champion doing this!!!
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saddlesforsale (2 weeks ago)
My question is: WHY THE HELL DO JUGES GIVE HER THE GOLD ALL THE TIME ???? DONT THEY SEE THIS ?
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daisyfields (2 weeks ago)
Unfortunately she does not ride like this in the ring, so it's not scored, but they are aware she uses it. Politics, politics, politics. That is why she gets the gold.
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
If you dind'n know, the judgers are suppose to judege what they see in the ring! Anky gets the gold cuz she's the best.
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lewsal (11 hours ago)
This is the first time I have watched this method in detail and quite frankly it appalls me. Dressage is supposed to be a partnership and she in utterley domminating that horse. My trainer saw her competing in Europe last year and was not impressed to say the least! In addition Anky finished second in the GP and refused to attend the prize giving. What a marvelous ambassador for our sport! She may get the gold but do the ends really justify the means?
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Clip 14 (Anky van Grunsven) published on youtube (d.d. 13 2 2007)
dieblauereiterin (8 months ago)
this is a horror. thank you for posting this. i think every horse person should watch this. i literally could not finish watching it bc i started to feel sick and get very upset.
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jirina2 (8 months ago)
Vrezelijk. Dit is top van dresuur?
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tyrdrop (7 months ago)
This person should never be allowed near a horse again. These practices need to stop, they make me sick.
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Ilady (7 months ago)
Sorry but what do you want us to see? If she does this with a good hand and enough leg.It's nothing to worry about.Besides she don't do it a'll the time,it's just to gymnastic the muscles.
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Kampfschimmel (7 months ago)
Its awful, horrible and has nothing to do with realy Dressage, the only meaning of this kind of ridin is to break the will of the horse, its called learned helplessnes, the horse learns, that he has no chancé out and resigns. This has nothing to do with gymnastik, its only cruel.
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vanjab (6 months ago)
This has nothing to do with dressage. It is only used to break the horse´s will. Gymnastik is done in a different way, not with pulling and kicking and breaking the horse´s neck. It makes me sick!
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Arenalilla (6 months ago)
awesome mov!
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pablicasso25 (5 months ago)
What do you mean, "with a good hand and enough leg?" I think you really mean, with enough CURB REIN and enough SPUR to force the horse forward. Are you familiar with the anatomy of the horse? Have you seen the compression of the vertebrae in the neck that this causes?
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pablicasso25 (5 months ago)
Meanwhile, observe how the horse can't step underneath himself and truly engage behind, and take a look at his forehand-he has no choice but to get heavier in front. Nothing to worry about? Only if you listen to the vet Anky pays to tell people it's ok.
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pablicasso25 (5 months ago)
Look at this clip of Philippe Karl riding piaffe and levade (make sure you click on view original size). Note how the horse's head is free, how he is NOT behind the bit, and look at the slack in both the curb and snaffle reins as the horse lifts his forehand off the ground. So you think Anky can do this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3630150063986391480 &q=piaffe&hl=en
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Leitha700 (5 months ago)
I don't wanna know how does the horse feel with that style.. It's looking so ugly. It must hurt.
I hate that style.
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KageOokami (5 months ago)
shes just bending him it helps to stretch the muscles I use this method all the time but then again I dont do dressage but I still dont see what is so wrong about it??
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SilverSammet (4 months ago)
This movie makes me sick.
Call it rollkur or "hyperflexion"... torture has many names....
I wish judges around the world could take there responsibility and stop her.
But hey... it gives her first place in competitions... it Must be good... Right...
The horse is nothing more then a tool for her to winn, I despise that kind of behavour!
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kingal2 (4 months ago)
What kind of riding do you do KageOokami? Western pleasure? Gaited horses?
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kingal2 (4 months ago)
My list of things that are wrong with this video.
1. Anky is a top rider but her position sucks. Her hands look like they are two feet apart and are down by her hip bones. Seat and leg are never quiet allowing the horse just to be. She constantly is driving with seat/leg to make up for the death grip she has on the reins. Her leg is too far forward and she sits like a sack of potatoes in the saddle.
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kingal2 (4 months ago)
2. At no point does Anky do posting trot. Just because a horse is Grand Prix level does not mean that its muscles do not need time to warm-up and stretch. A stretchy, swinging back and collection are not to be attained in 5 minutes of riding. That's like asking a runner to sprint before warming up sufficiently.
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kingal2 (4 months ago)
Too bad the person didn't give us some footage of the other riders who were riding truly classical dressage so people who have little experience could see the difference. It must be very frustrating for them to know that they are bringing the horse together correctly but have no chance of winning because of politics. It must be very painful for them to have to warm-up with Anky and watch her bastardization of dressage.
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HighReven7 (4 months ago)
That is discusting!
The poor horse has no balance at all , and cant even see where hes going!
It has no benifate to the horse at all , If all she wants to do is streach him out whats wrong with riding him on a semi loose rein and keeping hes pole lower than his wither , it would be more benificial for the horse!
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HighReven7 (4 months ago)
And would work and strech the correct mucles and warm him up nicley keeping him relaxed,
I bet they have to have a chiripractor out to those horses every 2 weeks ! they would be so sore !
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sullie97 (4 months ago)
Leg mij eens uit waarom ze dan 2 keer Olympisch kampioene is geworden, 2 maal Wereldkampioene en 2 maal Europees kampioene. If this was who isn't DUTCH you all didn't say anything about the way she's riding her horse.
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jannichan (3 months ago)
why she's won the olympic games twice, the world championships twice and the european championships twice? Because they don't care about cruelty to animals, obviously. Otherwise, this behavior would not be allowed to continue!
Or do you think it's ok to bend a horse like this just because you're dutch?
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sullie97 (3 months ago)
This kind of training takes only 5-10 minutes. I always thougth that Nicole Uphoff and Isabell Werth are sharing the same method as Anky. Why don't you show videos of them, riding their horses the same way. This is just propaganda against the dutch!
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ulrikethiel (3 months ago)
Warming up should relax and WARM UP the muscles and make the joints work without tension. Even 5 minutes working in this way on the forehand in high sopeed, tension and stress is too long and too much. WEhat is the reason for all these actions of the rider?
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Gitchalove (3 months ago)
horrible rolkur....sigh
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Dressyrflicka (3 months ago)
Absolutely horrible!
I will never understand why anyone would want to do that to a horse.
I´m Swedish and I have nothing against the dutch, I would say the same thing if Jan Brink did that to Briar (number two on the list of most succesful dressage riders, but also swedish)
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kingal2 (3 months ago)
sullie please realize that we have nothing against the dutch to think we are pointing the out the dutch because we dislike them is a little immature
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ilah2001 (3 months ago)
I agree the horse is thrown off balance and appallingly ridden this is apparent when she rides up the long side on the left rein off a circle where it appears the horse is trying to get out of the overbent stance and she drags him back onto the track with only her right rein very messy. Whats with the harsh fixed grip, that horse must have a mouth like reinforced concrete! Ive retrained many horses that have been traumatised by severe dressage regimes in Holland one originally came from her yard
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ilah2001 (3 months ago)
Ik denk dat nederlandse mensen kunnun niet kritiek namen over iets en alles nederlands, ik zie het elke dag! Ja natuurlijk, ik moet naar mijn eigen land teruggaan!
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sullie97 (3 months ago)
Why then showing videos of anky? And not some videos of germans warming up their horses, then we can compare to each other.
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daisyfields (1 month ago)
Gives me the name of someone German who uses and advocates rollkur like anky and I'll put some up if I can find them It's not about the rier, it's about the poor horse. Rollkur adds one hundred pounds of pressure to each vertebrae in the horse's spine. If someone has to do that to get a gold medal,then they are truly not a horseperson, no matter their ethnicity.
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keylime1602 (2 months ago)
It makes my neck hurt to watch.
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melody1 (2 months ago)
God, I love that horse... Then again, who wouldn't love a horse that would put up with that kind of thing?
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XinkyX (2 months ago)
i think anky is a fantastic rider, but i completly disagree with this 'training method'. i think its harsh and a discusting way to treat an animal. whose first in line to have their chin strapped to their neck for an hour?
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pauline608 (2 months ago)
I will be visiting the Olympia horse show in U.K next week and I will be booing this woman not applauding her and her kind Why is she winning medals? The Dutch federation should do something about this way of riding.
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xxassessment (1 month ago)
This is absolutely sickening. Pablicasso25 has covered pretty much everything I was going to mention, look at any old pictures or any true classical dressage and you'll see often the horse is far more content and either on or slightly ahead of the vertical, still in frame, and has much freer movement.
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Cookie1986 (3 weeks ago)
This is digusting!!! I do dressage on pretty high level too, but never used such methods! It#s unnessecary!!! Sad to see a World Champion doing this!!!
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saddlesforsale (2 weeks ago)
My question is: WHY THE HELL DO JUGES GIVE HER THE GOLD ALL THE TIME ???? DONT THEY SEE THIS ?
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daisyfields (2 weeks ago)
Unfortunately she does not ride like this in the ring, so it's not scored, but they are aware she uses it. Politics, politics, politics. That is why she gets the gold.
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Minga90ame (2 weeks ago)
If you dind'n know, the judgers are suppose to judege what they see in the ring! Anky gets the gold cuz she's the best.
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lewsal (11 hours ago)
This is the first time I have watched this method in detail and quite frankly it appalls me. Dressage is supposed to be a partnership and she in utterley domminating that horse. My trainer saw her competing in Europe last year and was not impressed to say the least! In addition Anky finished second in the GP and refused to attend the prize giving. What a marvelous ambassador for our sport! She may get the gold but do the ends really justify the means?
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